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Infinite Generator

I'm setting up a case representing an infinite generator. I assume modeling this dynamically is just as simple as having a large inertia and large damping coefficient for said generator?

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asked 2015-10-05 21:02:21 -0500
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Thanks jconto, the damping and inertia coefficients should be large though correct?

Lassettc's avatar Lassettc (2015-10-06 11:06:23 -0500) edit

Yes, that is correct.

jconto's avatar jconto (2015-10-15 18:59:42 -0500) edit

The damping factor shall be zero!!!!!

perolofl's avatar perolofl (2019-10-14 16:05:43 -0500) edit
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Use the classic model GENCLS, and no exciter,nor governor models. In the base case, give a large MVA to this machine and set its Xs = 0.01 or less.

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answered 2015-10-06 09:26:07 -0500, updated 2015-10-08 15:23:52 -0500
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However, I have analytically calculated the CCT for a short circuit in a bus and the clearance in the subsequent line using the area method and this model fails to represent the correct behavior in the PSSE.

fhgirardig's avatar fhgirardig (2025-06-12 11:35:53 -0500) edit
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The short circuit power in MVA for the "infinite bus" is determined by Mbase/Zsorce. Select GENCLS with H=0 to make the generator infinitely heavy in the dynamics (infinite inertia and constant frequency)

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answered 2016-09-26 16:40:23 -0500
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can you explain why the H should be zero please?? i thought with higher values of H , less movement of the frequency, thanks

marilyn3's avatar marilyn3 (2019-10-14 15:42:53 -0500) edit

In GENCLS model, H=0 menas infinit inertia. It is explained in the model sheet for GENCLS. The frequency will be constant during the whole simulation, i.e. PU speed deviation =0.

perolofl's avatar perolofl (2019-10-14 16:03:23 -0500) edit

thanks a lot!!

marilyn3's avatar marilyn3 (2019-10-14 16:10:59 -0500) edit
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I decided to post in here because my question is relevant: "How do I model an infinite bus?" To be more exact, I need to model many infinite buses so "How do I model a number of infinite buses in a case?" I am asking in both load flow network data and dynamic model terms.

  1. What bus type do they need to be? Generator buses or Swing buses?
  2. Voltage schedules need to be set to 1, right?
  3. H (inertia) and D (damping) in Dynamic Data have to be 0, both of them ?
  4. No controls, no governors, no nothing?
  5. Generator model is GENCLS, right?
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answered 2015-12-17 08:26:04 -0500
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I have done same .. On tripping one of generator ... Initially, my infinite generator is picking up the load, however, later , that additional load is being distributed on all of remaining generators and infinite generator is going back at its initial load... whereas, I want to have that infinite generator to keep serving that deficit..

I wanted to attach the Pelectrical images for your reference.. however, website is denying by saying to "not have Karma>10"...

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answered 2015-10-15 06:31:50 -0500
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What is the purpose of this Xsource = 0.01 ? What is the relation between the modeling Infinite Bus and the Xsorce parameter ?

martincho8002's avatar martincho8002 (2015-12-17 08:26:49 -0500) edit

jesus...is no one else running into this problem?!?!?

faketiffanyhsu's avatar faketiffanyhsu (2016-09-30 02:45:04 -0500) edit
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