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Motor behavior is suspect when performing motor starting study

asked 2023-03-03 16:37:51 -0500

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I'm performing a motor starting study and used IMD to create my CIM5BL dynamic model for 3600 HP motor.

 1327 'CIM5BL'     L9           2
     0.02180       0.1200       2.8900       0.04800      0.0075
     0.00800       0.0180       1.0000       0.10000      1.2500    
      0.4000       3.1400        0.0000       0.63249      0.0000    
      0.0000       0.0000        0.0300       0.86127    /

Based on some other forums, I've changed my time step and frequency step as noted below. The other forums recommend time step of 0.001 seconds but after experience non-convergence and "NAN" errors, the time step was further modified.

psspy.dynamicssolutionparam2([i,i,i,i,i,i,i,i],[0.5,f, 0.00075,0.004,f,f,f,f])

The motor's response time and the speed deviation don't perform as expected. Initially there's a 0.5 second flat start before turning the motor load on, as discussed in the Program Application Guide 2. The torque spikes at 0.7 seconds and reaches nominal torque around 2 seconds. The current spikes to a value not quite LRC and is already approaching unity by 1 second. The speed deviation oscillates slightly rather than a smooth curve approaching 0.

I'm at a loss at to what to do. The motor curves in IMD match the motor documents, but not seeing those same curves when running dynamic analysis in PSS/e.

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answered 2023-03-04 03:18:58 -0500

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The motor load torque is defined by CON(J+17) and CON(J+18).

Tload = Tnom*(1+deltaspeed)**D

Deltaspeed is -1 for a standstill motor. Normal values of load damping D is 1 or 2. You have entered a very small value, 0.03, which means that the load torque is too high at low motor speeds. The electrical torque is thereby lower than the load torque and the motor doesn't accelerate during the motor starting simulation.

Try with D=1. From where did you get the value 0.03?

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I was using 0.03 based on this website as I wasn't finding much guidance in PAGV2 what damping should be. https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=284873%3C/p%3E (https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=284873)

LSilv gravatar imageLSilv ( 2023-03-06 10:25:38 -0500 )edit

Maybe that's another kind of damping factor. It should work better with D=1.

perolofl gravatar imageperolofl ( 2023-03-07 04:43:18 -0500 )edit

Thanks for the comment, but even after I make the change to damping, everything still happens too fast, and the speed deviation still doesn't start -1. I have the same problem when I did a test of damping of 10. Is there something within PSS/e that I'm missing? A solution parameter?

LSilv gravatar imageLSilv ( 2023-03-07 12:09:21 -0500 )edit

The motor speed is in STATE(K+4). It should be -1 before starting the motor. What is your value?

perolofl gravatar imageperolofl ( 2023-03-08 01:50:11 -0500 )edit

Drat. I was really hoping the problem was that I was plotting the wrong thing. Upon the motor start, the speed drops to -0.34E-1 and settles at -0.58E-2.

LSilv gravatar imageLSilv ( 2023-03-08 13:59:38 -0500 )edit

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